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You are mentally ill
You are in the process of becoming oily pink and bald
Is that the China man?
The mentally ill are our best posters
Leftists are mentally ill in a nasty spiteful way, not a fun way.
It will improve my dry skin and make me more white?
Based.
could at least post before/after pics
these 2 men has looked like this for ages
was balding when he was vegan.
how hard is it to eat a healthy, balanced diet with meat, veggies and fruits ?
(IMPOSSIBLE)
Yeah, but you can’t farm rage clicks and dupe idiots into buying your supplements like that.
B-but he's a doctor. He wouldn't lie!
Yeah I'm not sure why people are vegan when they need b12 either.
Vegan generally is a moral standpoint rather than for health. A plant based diet on the other hand is for health and it's a diet of mainly whole food plant foods (no processed vegan fake foods) but doesn't exclude anything so you can do plant based + eggs and get your B12.
There's nothing healthy about a plant-based diet. The standard American diet is plant-based.
Plant-based is what vegans started using as terminology because they knew that saying "vegan" caused people to ignore them.
Plant based refers to whole food plants not processed shit. So no, pasta, potatoes in various forms etc is not plant based, hence your standard American diet is not plant based. Also it contains way too much dairy and meat to even be considered plant based as you're not mainly eating plants.
Vegans are already shilling for ultra-processed food. It has been shown that switching to plant-based causes people to eat more ultra-processed food. Processed food is a central pillar of plant-based ideology.
https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/health-and-fitness/ultra-processed-plant-based-disease/
Plant based and vegan isn't the same thing you moron.
Plant based = whole food plants (whole foods = non processed)
Vegan = no animal products
Plant-based is the terminology vegans use when they are trying to be subtle.
Pic related is a vegan doctor.
No it isn't, go look at Wikipedia or go to plantbaseddiet on Reddit to see the largest community and you will see it's not about veganism.
You're a fricking moronic moron who is confident about things you don't know shit about, probably refers to most areas in your life you low IQ homosexual
Okay, vegan.
Tell me about all the carbs in my, coconut milk, nuts and oliveoil homosexual. Plants don't contain a lot of carbs nor do carbs in plants cause problems because fiber slows down the uptake of carbs hence lower insulin responses and hence carbs aren't a problem in plant based diets. It's evident you don't understand biology
Yes it is you lying homosexual
You're the lying AND moronic homosexual who cannot even look up a word and still claim you know what it's about but I'll do it for you.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant-based_diet
>A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods.[1][2] Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of fiber-rich[3] plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.[4][5] They do not need to be vegan or vegetarian[6][7] but are defined in terms of low frequency of animal food consumption.[8][9]
Such amazing subterfuge. Nobody will ever figure it out.
You must be brain damaged, vegans don't eat any animal products, plant based dieters can do that, it's not the same at all.
Vegan is a moral standpoint, plant based is a diet for health
The standard American diet is already plant-based. It's not about health it's about profits.
Vegans are useful idiots who think advocating 'plant-based' diets is more subtle and persuasive than advocating vegan diets.
We know what the wiki says, you're still a vegan moron
Yeah, I'm sure tons of plant-based communities are talking about eating eggs. Shut the frick up.
Black person, flour and beer is processed, there is nothing wrong with eating flour or beer if you’re White.
Intolerance to gluten is actually a cacausian people thing according to google dawg and I think it's what is giving me the shits rn
That’s most likely cause by vaccines, unironically
>according to google
Ask google is trans women are women
Exactly
These plantbased eaters look much healthier and younger than any carnivore.
Okay, vegan.
Chuando isn't plant based, moron. He eats eggs and lean animal protein daily. His cheat meal is ice cream.
Plant based isn't vegan moron. Plant based refers to a diet of mainly whole food plants, his diet consists of mostly plants, while yes eating eggs for breakfast and sometimes chicken but he doesn't even eat chicken daily. Look at his Facebook or Instagram feed and you can't even find him eating meat at all but you can find plenty of examples of him eating plants.
Where are all the examples of absolutely sickly states of malnutrition?
Actually, I'll just repost the epitome of malnutrition videos by Sv3rige.
https://rumble.com/v1mvjwe-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment.html
https://rumble.com/v1pggp9-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-2.html
https://rumble.com/v1n86mo-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-3.html
https://rumble.com/v1n8tcq-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-4.html
https://rumble.com/v1salfu-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-5.html
https://rumble.com/v1meeus-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-6.html
https://rumble.com/v1lz976-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-7.html
https://rumble.com/v1lec03-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-8.html
This is what real vegans look like.
>still cant differentiate between vegan and plantbased
also you do realize that it's possible to be malnourished on any diet depending on your eating habits? Yes its easier to get your base nutrients on a animal based diet. That doesn't mean it's better than a good planned plant based diet. Your example of that woman is 1. I gave 4 and neither of them have saggy wrinkly skin like your example, she's older than them, yes but she still has all the hallmarks of an older person, if she had gray hair she'd instantly look her age.
Nice cherry picking, she looks old af, idk if that pic is photoshopped but other videos and pics of her makes her look her age lmao
Ngl my grandma looked 10x better than this woman at 65. However she looks anglo and we are meds so it’s understandable
She was carnivore for 65 years, she's over 80.
Shekelberg never lies!
>She was carnivore for 65 years, she's over 80.
She wasn't. She was "meat based"
she is 82 you moron
a rancher..working outside. Yeah, that'll age ya bro
WOW SHE LOOKS SO YOUNG, JUST LOOK AT THIS VIDEO OF HER, WOW AMAZING HOW YOUNG SHE LOOKS, LOOK AT THAT SKIN!
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Show us a picture of a better looking 82 year old. Can be vegan or standard American diet. We’ll wait
The oldest people into he world smoked and ate chocolate daily. Some one off woman proves nothing
How did they look at 82? Please show us a vegan who looks like her at 82
Can vegans even live that long?
>oh no he wasn't super pretty!!!
Do you have an actual argument or what? Maybe we should disregard your opinion because you aren't the most handsome person we've ever seen. Please post fave so we can know how seriously to take your non-argument
Post face**
and they looked like shit and had a lot of health issues, i saw those videos on youtube too you abobawde cretin frick
>can't read
>strawman
>ad hom
Why are diet absolutists like this?
lmao you dont even know what straman means
its like when morons call everything a cope
come on smartypants, show me where I did le heckin strawman
you absolute moron
>next up, ad hom
Why are diet absolutionists like this?
>cant tell me where i did le hecking strawman
thought so
>throw random words around without knowing what they mean in hopes of winning the argument
>AD HOM AD HOM JANNIES HELP THEY SAID THE MEAN WORDS I CANT I CANT EVEN
Why are diet fencesitters like this?
Just goes to show you that unhappy people cling to fads to try to define themselves. Normal people who sit down to a a nice balanced meal dont have these arguments. Happy people dont curse out randos on the net. Hope things get better guys.
uh huh
any real arguments?
or just more reddit-tier canned midwit posts
It's often people who have health conditions. Even if the diet is more healthy, the condition might kill them in the end.
Yeah, eating disorders have a radically high mortality rate
>rumble
The epitome of malnourishment videos that he linked are great. They were removed from YouTube, but were very popular on there.
I'll take your word for it I'm not watching diet propaganda
>anti freedom post
>avatargayging post
>hollywood post
>not only that, even hollywood at a ceremony, the worst the world has ever seen. celebrities are FAKE
have a nice day fedbwoi, your aura sucks major donkey dick
You okay pal
so THAT just happened!
Hey lefty
fructose gets metabolzied like alcohol
>
It absolutely does not
the idea that we're ominvores, like most hominids, is too rational for all these kooky diets zealots
Heavenly trips of truth.
Why would anyone follow this actually mentally ill dude for health advice?
Isn't it funny how at the start of his carnivore journey he still had hair and muscles
And now (before the hair transplant) he is bald and skinnyfat kek
Its wild how this guy started as a runescape pker
Yeah man we evolved eating rice and mangos in ice age europe. This is what you have to genuinely believe to come out with the ~~*balanced diet*~~ stuff. Food corps do not want you getting food from the butcher they want you getting a ~~*healthy balance*~~ of high profit margin imported shit grown in 3rd world monocrop farms and they managed to successfully convince normies that it's healthy for them to eat like that. Just keep pretending it's normal to need IVF or to get cancer at 50 or to need orthodontics or glasses. Don't read Weston Price whatever you do. Good goy.
i just eat meat and fruits
vegetables are nasty, funny how the only vegetable I liked as a kid turned out to be a fruit
>vegetables are nasty, funny how the only vegetable I liked as a kid turned out to be a fruit
you are a little child mentally
does mommy still need to blend up your veggies so you eat them?
its funny that you grew up to be a fruit, and one day youll be a vegetable
But then nobody would make money from fad diets
A block of butter and 22 eggs per day.
Surely this has got to be a troll. Noone could be that stupid.
Surely.
This thread feels organic, natural and unforced.
>everyone that disagrees with me is a glow Black person
Woah there buddy I didn't say anything about spooks. But this smells forced.
Yeah, we got an order from the annunaki lizard demons to astro turf a small fitness message board. I’m trans, by the way.
This is simple pattern recognition my friend.
>balding
>women
No. Women bald in a different pattern, from the top like a monk's crop. They do not have MPB. She's asian and that's just a common hairline for asians. Hairline is genetic. Balding is genetic and unless you're eating a starvation diet, there's no reason to suspect you'll start balding because you started to eat more of some kind of food or started using some supplement. There are a lot of people with shit genes, especially on here, who don't want to accept that they simply just have shit genes and just want to blame something else instead. They all want to believe that having a perfect hairline line that model who rolled lucky with the genetic dice is supposed to be the norm as part of their cope. It's much like where you see manlets roiding hard to cope with being manlets.
>oily
Healthy skin produces oils. The skin produces oils to help prevent micro-organisms from penetrating the skin.
>pink
Healthy skin should have a slight pink hue. It's a common thing especially in white people and other paler skinned peoples.
Is an example of a proven roider who probably spends to much outside and has red skin from sunburn and side effects of 1.2g of test/week. Also 5'4" and using his roiding to cope with being a manlet.
He's probably pinning test too. It's quite common to see that red skin among roiders.
He probably was never carnivore in the first place and likely just cheated on his diet the whole time. I suspect it's a common thing among carnivore and vegan influencers as both groups cheat on their diets. He was caught with bananas at his house while he was claiming to be carnivore. Baker is also another suspected roider.
He had that hairline when he was vegan. Left is when he was vegan in pic related, he's trying to hide it by combing his hair over the side of his head to hide it. Likely had that hairline since he started growing hair as a toddler.
#
>balding
Here's another white woman with a carnivore hairline (heavy frontal recession).
>oily
Yes, some oil is good, but you shouldn't be visibly shining from the grease while relaxing in your home
>pink
Again yes, a pink hue is good, but excess pinkness is a common symptom of high blood pressure
Veganism is gay too.
who is she?
Mackenzie Merriott
Anon, women DO bald. Their hormonal profiles normally do not allow it to advance to the point that it's noticeable.
>Mackenzie Merriott
seems like shes not carnivore anymore
Not even a week after this article was posted?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2024/01/02/lifestyle/influencer-swears-by-carnivore-diet-but-experts-are-not-fans/amp/
I just checked her recent tiktoks and shes eating bread so idk
anon that's just a b***h with a big forehead
they're not that rare
>Their hormonal profiles normally do not allow it to advance to the point that it's noticeable.
they do moron, they just have a million hairstyles where they either hide it or you'd be focusing more on the hairstyle rather than searching for their hairline
>Here's another white woman with a carnivore hairline (heavy frontal recession).
She's not balding. That's just the hairline she was born with. Female pattern baldness starts at the crown. Women will not have male pattern baldness unless they start to take a lot of roids and I doubt she is roiding.
>Yes, some oil is good, but you shouldn't be visibly shining from the grease while relaxing in your home
You should be shining to some degree, especially depending on the lighting.
wasnt this one a fruitarian or vegan or some shit. She really became a carnivore?
Probably. Both diets attract mentally ill people, which is why they flip-flop from one extreme to the other
>oily
>pink
>balding
i dont give a shit,
She's not balding that is just an average hairline
>implying
There is clear miniaturization and diffuse thinning.
Oh buddy
>typical asiatic hairline
>and asiatic features
Why is this veganschizo always lying on IST?
Are these not carnivore influencers? Are they not oily? Are they not balding? Are they not pink?
The carnie denies reality yet again.
No to all those questions, veganschizo
>your skin isn't pale, dry and flaky?
>ewww wtf is wrong with you are you sick?
fructose gives you non alcoholic fatty liver
Carnivore diet saved my life. Also it got rid of my skin issues, drink some heavy cream and your skin will be glowing. I've never had whiter and smoother skin in my life.
>drink some heavy cream
Dairy and eggs are unironically amazing for your skin but you don't need to stop eating vegetables.
Yeah I don't need to stop eating vegetables, but I don't want to eat any either. There's no reason to unless you enjoy them.
Carnivore is good for auto immune problems but I prefer a meat heavy keto diet. Fruits and vegetables are probably fine but the average person consumes too many carbs. Grains and soi are pretty bad.
Animal Fat is really good for your skin, while sugar causes glycation
Checkem
being pink is a good thing. Its a sign of health. You don't want to be pale
wait why is being oily "bad"?
its just a natural moisturizer
if you think thats "disgusting" then thats fair, but why is it unhealthy?
same with the skin color, god forbid not everyone is pale (which is unhealthy, its a susceptible skin)
being too oily is an indication of inflammation from a bad diet.
Carnivore inflammation markers are almost always very good, the only questionable thing is LDL.
>if you think thats "disgusting" then thats fair, but why is it unhealthy?
Its not.
And how would you define to oily?
Oily skin isn't healthy, if your body produces excessive oils it's because something is wrong. Same thing for when skin is dry, usually because of some deficiency
That girl is a bit crazy. She was vegan, had dozens of deficiencies and obviously felt much better on carnivore. She also had an auto immune condition. Let's be realistic, except for the auto immune stuff (which not many will have) she would be doing fine on an omnivore diet as well.
Now do this one
This guy is weirdly obsessed with keto / carnivore people. We are just doing our own thing enjoying our lives and enjoying good health yet he seethes. I don't make threads about vegans
>enjoying good health
Why is the poster boy for carnivore diabetic? Why is his test in the tank? Why did he lose his medical liscence? (He sold meat to his patients)
is this the newest vegan cope? looking healthy and attractive is actually a bad thing?
It's called seed oil dumping, the body gets rid of unhealthy VEGETABLE oils.
>It's called seed oil dumping
And yet this doesn't happen to omnivores or even vegans who stop eating seed oils.
>omnivores never have oily skin
literally what the frick
My claim is that carnivore dieters have an unusually high instance rate of oily skin, not that omnivores never get oily skin. Omnivorous dieting can be extremely unhealthy with poor food choices.
>And yet this doesn't happen to omnivores
didn't seem to be your claim
you don't seem like an omnivore who just doesn't like carni, you seem to be clearly vegan because you're trying to paint healthy looking people as unhealthy because.. they have a natural blush
i know you'll probably find this concept impossible because of your nature, but I am nowhere near a carnivore, but I can tell that they generally look much better than vegans
Vegans think everyone looks red because vegans look sickly green. It's just their frame of reference.
He looks unhealthy in both. Lmao @ your image proving my point further.
>pink
>greasy
>hairline evaporated
>proving my point further
>new ip
uh huh
so these homosexuals making these "memes" and posting these shitty threads are from a discord
now i see
>are from a discord
It's literally just moxyte. He doesn't have a team of people he does this all himself. He has been doing it for years now.
too many new ips pop up and post the same shitty edits, so I'd assume its at least 4-5 morons from a discord planning these little raids
Or just one autist with multiple devices. He looks obsessed enough to be willing to use multiple devices to flood a thread.
I'm 99% certain it is just moxyte. Nothing has ever indicated there's anyone else doing this.
He will post in his own threads with different IPs. Sometimes he is the first 3 posts and they all have different IPs. He's just that mentally ill and obnoxious.
It doesn't much matter, they aren't fooling anyone. There's too much testimonial of vegans being emaciated and dying for anyone to take it seriously anymore.
Lmao @ the keto IQ
If you want to be pedantic, then sure, I misspoke. Omnivores who cut seed oils don't get oily skin at nearly the same rate as carnivores which we can clearly see a pattern of. I agree that carnivores are generally healthier than vegans, but this thread isn't about vegans.
Lmao she must have gotten too much blowback.
That pic is so rael. Who would have thought a balanced and healthy diet consists of both meat AND vegetables...?
A balanced diet consists of good balance of animal fat and protein and limited amount of plant foods.
Whatever works for you. I think people could do with a bit more animal protein in their life and skip the seed oils. The people shoving sticks of butter down their throat are legitimately moronic though
Didn't know about this Icelander. Being one myself I'll have to look him up sometime. That being said he's still mostly wrong but I believe him when he says he felt healthy on a (mostly) all fish diet. His advice is far from universal though. With agriculture people's digestive systems have evolved. I don't think 9000+ years of eating different food has had no impact on a race's digestive system. Problem is that Icelanders and Eskimos have lived without agriculture for most of their history. I don't think a healthy diet for a Chinese person would be healthy for an Icelander, and vice versa, because of the different way they are evolved to absorb nutrients. Some people have a very limited history of agriculture and others have lived with it for millennia. Your ancestors ate both vegetables and meat, and you're evolved to do the same. With the abundance of all food sorts it is up to you to find a balance that emulates what you're evolved to eat regularly.
>That being said he's still mostly wrong but I believe him when he says he felt healthy on a (mostly) all fish diet
he also went on a mostly meat and water diet between 1926-27 under medical supervision(fat intake consisted most his caloric intake. 3100 kcal per day with 20% coming from protein). several research papers were published on this topic. he was in perfect health.
as far as chinese or whatever other example: it would be fair to assume that them and mongolians are genetically very similar with similar adaptations and even here we see recordings of excellent health of mongolians on meat and dairy and horrible health of grainslop eating chinks (including small stature and horrible dental health).
what population is it that does really well on plants? presumably something from tropical zones and yet there's is plenty of research showing higher animal product consumption leading to better health in primitive populations. 9000 years of agriculture is a fart in the wind considering the fact that the modern human has existed for 350000.
>equates the historical diets of mongolians to that of the chinese
Please tell me you're joking
he didn't
A diet of nothing but fatty red meat and fresh water is perfectly balanced.
Thats a joke. Not meant srly. Vegans claim that they feel super shitty on their diet first cause they "detox" and the diet needs s long time to "work" and make you "feel good"
IIRC she comes up with a new eating disorder every couple years.
ketoish diet causes great drip in igf signaling. Laron syndrome whis is extreme igf deficiency has weak hair and high hairline as one of its traits. its not androgenic balding. keto decreases dht by like 60%.
Keto/carnivore diets cause hair regrowth.
You're mentally ill, vegan.
Nice.
Here's another example of keto curing baldness. This time in a man.
Yeah, carnivore grifters never try to decieve their paypiggies. Goatis had a full recovery too!
The fact that you have pegged people who don't agree with your diet as political opponents speaks more about your own mental health. A balanced and healthy diet is apolitical.
Veganism is far left.
Nobody ITT is arguing on favor of veganism.
OP is a vegan.
Lying is also left wing.
I'm a far right wing vegan.
why do neurotypicals go on autistic diets when they don't have food sensory issues?
science has spoken
incels must listen
Being oily = having moisturized, shiny skin
Being pinkish= having a natural healthy reddish undertone
It's interesting how these are the exact things women do with make up to make their skin look better, they make it more shiny by moisturizing and pinker with blush, moxshite wants you to believe his greyish dry vegan skin is good.
Being OILY is different from being moisturized. Having a rosy complexion is different from having beet red skin from high blood pressure. See
>no concept of moderation
wait so your saying the girl in your op has skin as red as known omnivore ripochud?
>as red as
NO! See
>Omnivorous dieting can be extremely unhealthy with poor food choices.
I posted Rip as an extreme example of PINK. (Which you had no problem agreeing with)
AGAIN:
>no concept of moderation
There is no moderating alcohol, it's a poison
>Uh but what about moderating drugs and poison?
Again, nuance is lost on you.
Also, the state of this website is disturbing. I'm a normal old-school autist. The fact that you gays think a thread full of shitty phone-app edits can only be done by a dedicated team of 5 gangatalkers speaks for the social media brainrot you all have.
I actually eat carbs but I believe animal fat and protein is the base of the diet. However, rip looks the reddest for sure out of everyone in this thread and does not espouse keto/carnivore..
>but I believe animal fat and protein is the base of the diet.
I hold this belief as well. Best source of amino acids. Cholesterol is good. Omega 3s in fish fat are incredibly healthy. I prefer to cook with lard.
>However, rip looks the reddest for sure out of everyone in this thread and does not espouse keto/carnivore..
It's ironic for sure. Rip is just a regular fat frick who doesn't care about his health. I would say being carnivore is healthier than the standard American diet, but not >optimal.
>Being OILY is different from being moisturized
It literally isn't.
>Having a rosy complexion is different from having beet red skin from high blood pressure.
You need some help moving those goalposts? You weren't labelling people "beet red" you were labelling them "pink". Pinkish skin, especially in the face, is indicative of healthy circulation.
>You need some help moving those goalposts? You weren't labelling people "beet red" you were labelling them "pink". Pinkish skin, especially in the face, is indicative of healthy circulation.
Pedantic. The carnies I post are more than "pinkish"
The one in OP is barely pink at all, she's yellow.
Alex Jones & Rippetoe are fat, alcoholic and unathletic. Baker and Liver King are roiders.
Fellow omnivores, we must teach those carnies to eat more fruit.
>Fellow omnivores
G R E A S Y
i want to put my balls in her mouth
Clear, healthy skin. Nice
A decade or two in the past vegans thought they had achieved absolute victory. People online not eating carbs and now not eating any vegetables at all have caused a panic among vegans.
The people eating carnivore and keto have also started to get studies done which confirm that meat is a health food. They are giga mad.
I mean ok, but I didn't ask.
There is no use in arguing with a vegan, because not only are they moronic, but they also take pride in their moronation. Therefore, winning is equal to losing: you gain nothing, you change no one's mind, and you waste your time. Best thing you can do poke at their dumb ass, then laugh when they explode. Second best thing you can do is encourage them, so they look even more moronic.
Is that the pedophile who tried to rape his daughter?
sauce? more people should know about this if true
yeah i heard about it to. he def has a pedo smile
you heard it where?
>8oz block of butter = 1600kcal
>22 large eggs = ~1540kcal
So about 3200kcal a day, how is she not fat?
Because calories are not obesogenic. Pic related.
Interesting, thanks anon.
Does anyone have a link to that study? Also the one where mice were eating seed oils?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22863169/
The rodents on the powdered diet gained more weight because their food was predigested. Your body spends a LOT of energy digesting raw, whole foods compared to processed, powders foods.
The study youre parroting which "disproves" CICO is actually just more evidence in favour of it - the same calories lead to more weight gain when you reduce the amount of energy that the body spends digesting it.
This, other poster is an actual brainlet.
The uptake if the energy can start in the saliva when it's in powder form hence why you can sniff coke or rub it on your gums and get the effect because the body can immediately use it. It's elementary to anyone with an IQ above 80
>deny biology
>call other people brainlet
Typical calorietard.
Strawman, no one says that hormones don't matter. Yes, injecting exogenous hormones into your body will change your metabolism. Roiders and diabetics prove this.
Why do you have to use medically exceptional edge cases to try and prove a point about the healthy majority?
Hormones matter. You know what affects your hormones? The amount of food you eat and the amount of exercise you do.
The reason for the body composition difference in the mice study is that one group was eating powdered carbs, which raise insulin.
You ignored the hormonal difference.
NTA but you're moronic and not understanding what he's saying, you're just regurgitating the same shit.
He's denying the role of hormones in obesity.
Calorietards are the nutrition version of flat-earthers.
>He's denying the role of hormones in obesity
>Strawman, no one says that hormones don't matter. Yes, injecting exogenous hormones into your body will change your metabolism. Roiders and diabetics prove this.
Yeah bro what a denial.
>hormones only matter when you inject them
Why was one group of mice obese and the other group of mice lean?
His claim is that it was due to calories when the actual correct answer is insulin.
>His claim is that it was due to calories when the actual correct answer is insulin
False dichotomy. It's both - the powdered group spent less energy digesting their food, and their food absorbed into their bodies faster. This spiked their insulin and helped them store that acute excess of energy.
The pellet group had to chew their food and spend longer digesting it and spend more energy digesting it, causing a gradual absorption of energy into their bodies and a gentler spike in insulin. This all added up to a greater energy surplus in the powdered group than the pellet group.
>chewing burns so many calories it can make an obese animal lean
What you're claiming is totally insane. Chewing doesn't burn that many calories. In fact even going on a hamster wheel doesn't burn much additional calories. Pic related.
The difference in body composition was because powdered carbs spike insulin more than unpowdered carbs. Insulin is obesogenic.
I never said it was just chewing. Most of the energy your body spends on digestion is the stomach muscles that manipulate and squeeze the food and the production of digestive enzymes and stomach acid that breaks down the macrostructure of the food. Most of this energy simply doesn't need to be spent when foods are powdered.
Again, even running on a treadmill doesn't burn additional calories. Stomach muscle usage cannot be the explanation for the difference in body composition, because muscle usage doesn't increase daily energy expenditure.
Why are you denying the role of hormones? There's no need to make up an insane biology-denying fantasy. We already know for sure what caused the body composition difference: INSULIN.
>Again, even running on a treadmill doesn't burn additional calories.
Oh OK you're psychotically insane. See you later.
I take solace in the fact that the 2 people lurking this conversation can see that you're bats hit insane and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Proof was provided in pic related here:
Additive DEE is a childish fantasy. Constrained DEE is reality.
Not proof, speculative models, theories on bodily energy management. Easily disproven by the lived experience of literally anyone who has ever exercised.
It's not speculative. There's two studies. Look at the bottom two charts and the highlighted text.
>Left: Women from Westerterp's half-marathon study. Right: Mice kept sedentary (days 1-7), then allowed access to a wheel (days 7-28).
Sorry calorietard, you worship a false ideology.
Read the studies. They are bullshit. The women's half marathon study showed they lost more weight the more activity they did. Their methods for estimating total energy expenditure were extremely crude. No one on IST will fall for your insane babbling because they have LIVED the reality of burning more energy through exercise. You are an insane person.
>Their methods for estimating total energy expenditure were extremely crude.
That is a rather histrionic leftist way of speaking.
The Westerterp half-marathon study used doubly-labeled water to measure energy expenditure, which is the gold-standard.
And you didn't even bother to give an excuse for ignoring the mouse study which showed the same thing.
Lmfao it was worth scrolling the thread for this shit
No, you're denying that they are getting more calories due to the easier uptake.
Think of it like this, you have a car that's running and using fuel, your fuel tank is at 50/100
You have an additional 50 liquid fuel (the powdered carbs)
And you have 50 additional frozen fuel (regular carbs)
The liquid fuel will instantly add to your fuel tank and fill it up.
But the frozen fuel needs to be heated up before it can be used and will use fuel from your fuel tank to heat it, your car will also be running in the mean time and use fuel from its tank. Hence when you have heated the frozen fuel your tank is now at 30/100 instead
So liquid fuel (powdered carbs) puts your tank at 100
Frozen fuel (regular carbs) at 80
Do you understand now?
The hormonal difference was caused by the physical form of the food though, not it's macronutrient profile. I mean that's the whole point of the experiment right? Same calories, same carbs, but one group is powder one group is pellets.
You drink a can of coca cola and all that sugar is almost instantly in your blood. Your blood sugar spikes. So your body produces insulin to tell your cells to start sucking up sugar.
What argument do you think you're having? Of course powdered or liquified calories will cause more weight gain - they hit the body quickly and don't require a lot of energy to break down.
What point do you think you're contesting?
Insulin was higher in the powder group because more calories of sugar entered their bloodstream in a shorter period of time.
Insulin response is not a function of "calories" you biology denying nitwit.
In this context, we're comparing THE SAME macronutrients in powder or pellet form. The only variable is how quickly the amount of energy in the food (gosh if only we had a standard unit to measure food energy with) hits the bloodstream.
If the energy from your food hits your bloodstream all at once, you're going to have a sharp insulin response, compared to the SAME energy hitting your bloodstream more gradually.
Drink a can of soda in 30 seconds.
Sip a can of soda over 2 hours.
Which one will raise insulin more? This is the exact same situation as your powdered vs pellet experiment. Same energy, same calories, it's simply about how many UNITS OF ENERGY enter the bloodstream in a given frame of time.
>energy
It's carbs. Not energy. Carbs.
Powered carbs cause a stronger insulin spike than unpowdered carbs.
The pellet food and powdered food weren't only carbs. It was the whole diet. Carbs, fat and protein.
Being powdered meant all the fat, carbs and protein were rapidly dissolved into the digestive juices of the rodents' guts. Less energy (almost none) was spent in digestion compared to pellets.
Look up the thermic effect of food - in regular, whole foods, up to 30% of the energy value of the food is spent in digestion and absorption.
You're also totally wrong about the slowly sipping thing. A study in humans controlled for speed of ingestion and found that it doesn't really matter. Solid food has a lower insulin response regardless. Note "slow puree" "fast puree" "slow juice" and "fast juice" in pic related.
The hormonal response is a result of food structure. Not 'calories'. Biological organisms detect and respond differently to different foods.
You argue so confidently yet you are a totally clueless biology-denier.
>A study in humans controlled for speed of ingestion
Did your rat study "control for the speed of ingestion"? Your studies aren't proving the things you think they prove.
>The hormonal response is a result of food structure. Not 'calories'
The hormonal response is a function of how rapidly food enters the bloodstream.
>The hormonal response is a function of how rapidly food enters the bloodstream.
Wrong. See pic (and video) related:
Slow ingestion of liquid carbs didn't alter the hormonal response compared to quick ingestion. Solid carbs had a drastically different hormonal response.
The difference is food structure. Not speed of ingestion.
>Slow ingestion of liquid carbs didn't alter the hormonal response compared to quick ingestion
There's no indication that ingestion speed was varied in your shitty YouTube video study. The legend only explains the different physical structures of the solid vs various liquid forms, it doesnt specify the timeframe that the food was consumed in.
>slow puree
>fast puree
>slow juice
>fast juice
Lol. Lmao, even
Not only are you a biology denier you're also an illiterate ESL foreigner.
Black person I'm drunk and high idgaf. I'm not the one claiming that muscles don't use energy. You are literally insane.
I suspect you're moronic all day every day whether sober or not.
Your own study shows ingestion time DOES matter. Lower blood glucose on this chart indicates a higher insulin response, and the fast puree led to lower blood glucose after 90m than slow puree.
Slow juice had a higher insulin spike than fast juice. Same with slow puree vs fast puree. This totally obliterates your claim that the hormonal response was modulated by calories.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/71495/
Why deny biology so desperately? It's like biology-denial is a religion for you.
No it's because powdered carbohydrate raises insulin more than unpowdered. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. Pic related.
Powdered carbs raise insulin more sharply than unpowdered carbs because it hits your bloodstream faster, all at once, causing a sharp spike. Compared to eating whole foods which has more of a slow release into your body. I'm glad that you concede that carbs aren't a universal evil, and that it's mostly refined Carbohydrates that are problematic.
So essentially Sv3rige was right years ago when he said that it is impossible to gain "fat" while eating only raw animal fats.
I feel like you need to reconsider your worldview if you A. Consider IST a legitimate source of scientific information, that B. Proves a YouTube eceleb' delusions correct
>calories don't matter
>CICO is fake
the laws of thermodynamics (namely conservation of mass/energy) do not stop working just because you want to eat a donut
>the laws of thermodynamics (namely conservation of mass/energy) do not stop working just because you want to eat a do nut
the laws of thermodynamics can be safely applied to closed systems with constant contained matter. none of it applies to humans unless you draw a boundary and collect all of the input and output. a calorie still is just a unit of measurement of heat. last time I checked your body doesn't "burn" anything. the laws of thermodynamics also don't consider that a "caloric" unit of fat or cabs or protein is treated differently by the body. It also doesn't consider the action of insulin and other hormones. strawman somewhere else please.
Pounds of makeup and a filter. She doesn't look bad but it shows the dishonesty. Men on the cult look like absolute shit too. She mentioned her boyfriend at some time ditching the diet because of how malnourished, dehydrated and the brain fog (actual brain damage) he felt.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zslwTfyCrXk?si=kGitmB_ib1pzM0np
Guys my doctor said I have amazing health markers but his face dropped when I came in this week and had a sunburn, I hit both pink and oily. He said pink is the worst case scenario when it comes to markers. Just wondering if anyone has financial advice to help with getting the pink removal surgery as I am an ameritard. Sweating bullets right now, my wife told me to stop eating the half pound of chicken a day as it was excessive. I should have listened...
When it comes to vegetables vs fruits, arent fruits much more nutritious? It’s seems that fruits should be consumed more considering a lot of fruit gets eaten and animals shit seeds out which grow opposed to vegetables which seem to have toxins like oxalates that have to be cooked to reduced them.
Babe wake up, New psyop just dropped
Out of nowhere I've had diarrhea everyday for around two weeks now at 31.
I don't know if I just developed lactose intolerance, gluten problems or IBS.
Anyway, anybody have similar problems that were fixed with a meat heavy diet?
I need to cut something out of my diet I just don't know what yet.
You can't think of any lifestyle changes from the last couple of weeks? Are you stressed?
I would say I am as I was unemployed but now I have a job, stress would be a factor.
I've been doing a strength training routine and it's fried my cns so I took the week off, possibly related but I'm shitting up stuff I don't even recollect eating at this point.
No real pain, loss of strength or illness either just really watery shits everyday...
I think vegan and carnivore diets are equally moronic
Your reddit boyfriend isn't real
Do you still shit yourself Moxyte?
what a depressing life. just eat a burger once in a while whats the big deal
sneed oil goyslop thread?
Singlehandedly this one troll has convinced me more than anyone else in the the thread to try the carnivore diet.
>oily
>pink
makeup moron
>balding
idk that looks normal for a woman in her late 30s?
im not a carnitard but this is moronic
Im doing carnivore now but I draw the line at eating sticks of butter.. wtf
Doesn't take much different from cream. I have a little nibble before I make my keto coffee.
*taste
Gross
homies on here really arguing about plants and meat, just eat what you want you glow-Black person homosexuals
>Same images every time.
THE FRICKING IRONY HOLY SHIT AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breathes in*
AAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAH
>going high fat anything
Ask her how many years of veganism she endured before she began healing the pink oily balding damage with carnivore
>Uh but OTHER moronic diet.
Clockwork
>uh n-no i'm not vegan i'm just so upset at those carnirinos
pottery
I AM upset at carnirinos. You gays shit up every nutritional discussion on this board with lies, pseudoscience and general moronation. You idiots have made CICO, the absolute foundation of all dieting controversial here. The only way you can try to find even footing is by accusing everyone of being vegans which is moronic. The majority of IST hates vegans and hates veganism because it's just as dumb to not eat meat as it is to only eat meat.
>You gays
not a carnivore, moron. not even close
So you're just getting mad at imaginary vegans on the behalf of carnivores?
on behalf of myself
you almost said it yourself
>The majority of IST hates vegans
except you fricked it up (because you're a vegan)
>and hates veganism because it's just as dumb to not eat meat as it is to only eat meat.
nobody really gives a shit what you eat if you can accept that not everyone has to agree with you. carnivores absolutely understand this. there's no harm in trying to spread the message on something you think is helpful. that is not what vegans do and you know it.
>carnivores absolutely understand this
Which is why they're malding (further) in this thread and shit up every thread about food and nutrition with their cult?
>that is not what vegans do and you know it.
True. Veganism is moronic too.
>Which is why they're malding (further) in this thread
don't care homie
it's not the same as lying, harassing and trying to bar people from buying certain foods, physically and legally
carnis do not do that. you're either incredibly disingenuous or incredibly sheltered to think that shitposts on IST are all that defines a movement. carnis also don't constantly lie and pretend to be other people. i mean look at this shit
the frick is that?
>carnis also don't constantly lie
Carnitards constantly lie and decieve. See sv3rige, Dr Shawn Baker and Liver King.
>sv3rige
lol, allright, we got him. I guess all those "Vegans: The Epitome of Malnourishment" are finally getting to him. god, why are you so easily spotted?
>"Veganism is moronic"
Peak carnitard reading comprehension
oh yeah you're right I just didn't notice those words. I guess you must not be a vegan, then. it's impossible since those words are there.
lol
you couldn't make it more clear that you're a vegan
how about eating lean meat, fish, eggs, green veggies and fruit instead of sticks of butter or grass?
That's too reasonable for carnidiots. They select their foods for how much attention they'll get for eating it.
>They select their foods for how much attention they'll get for eating it.
yes that must be it. it cannot be:
normalized blood pressure
normalized blood glucose/insulin
weight loss almost exclusively in form of fat loss
reversal of aching joints
fixing of gum issues
and a myriad other issues that get fixed without any medication. something "normal" eating or vegetard slop cannot do.
no those things aren't why. its specifically just the attention seeking. nice job strawmanning, vegetard troony.
Tell me how you get the plant only flavonoids that decreases cell damage hence helps your body to repair itself easier and better. Or the flavonoids like quercetin that helps kill senescent cells, not that you even know what those things are.
>They are not essential
Yeah not if you just want to live until 50 and then get age related problems, but then you can live on fast food too you absolute moron.
>Tell me how you get the plant only flavonoids that decreases cell damage hence helps your body to repair itself easier and better. Or the flavonoids like quercetin that helps kill senescent cells, not that you even know what those things are.
>>They are not essential
>Yeah not if you just want to live until 50 and then get age related problems, but then you can live on fast food too you absolute moron.
care to back up any of that garbage you wrote at all?
>care to back up any of that garbage you wrote at all
Fisetin
>Fisetin treatment decreased senescent cells in the gray matter of the brain cortex and cerebellum as well as large neurons (GL13 staining) in the non-CA area of the hippocampus. Further, fisetin treatment significantly decreased P16+ and GLB1+ neurons, astrocytes, and microglia cells in both gray and white matter of the cerebral brain cortex, and reduced GLB1+ microglia, astrocytes, and GLB1+ neurons in the non-CA area of the hippocampus.
>These results suggest that fisetin treatment represents a promising therapeutic strategy for age-related diseases.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10451965/
Sheep study, yes but they are vivo studies and because studies like these aren't typically done on humans.
Here's another but on mice, so we have several studies with different mammals all showing great results in vivo.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2022.960601/full
and before you start talking shit about the studies not being on humans, you have nothing but anecdotal evidence from grifters for your "carnivore" diet being healthy so I have already provided more evidence than you
results suggest that fisetin treatment represents a promising therapeutic strategy for age-related diseases.
"suggests". lol, lmao even. now show me actual proof. your claim was
"Yeah not if you just want to live until 50 and then get age related problems, but then you can live on fast food too you absolute moron."
care to show me anything to back that up? something actually tested?
>t. brainlet who doesn't understand scientific papers
Even all the current vitamin studies only SUGGESTS. Do you know why? The body is infinitely complex, and to prove something in the body would require more understanding than we currently have of it.
It's not as easy as dropping a stone and saying
>yep, hits the ground
because even if Fisetin causes all these good things to happen we don't know HOW or WHY it happens hence we can only
>suggest
even if we KNOW it happens. The outcome is confirmed, the why and how isn't hence it will be suggests until that is known.
It's so sad how you talk about diet and health when you know absolutely nothing
>It's so sad how you talk about diet and health when you know absolutely nothing
its very sad you cant produce any long term results and assume what you wrote is worth anything at all.
>The body is infinitely complex, and to prove something in the body would require more understanding than we currently have of it.
exactly why I will go by results. Ive tested many things, including changing my diet. none of that worked. I've had multiple decades to figure things out for myself and I've found something that actually works. and so called "anecdotes" also suggest the very same thing for a lot of people trying out carnivore. you suggest there's some benefit and claim I'll be getting "age related problems". looking at the population a huge proportion of 50+ year olds fit that description. where exactly is the proof of a balanced diet leading to good health outcomes? just by fixing my blood pressure and T2D according to "science" will bump up my life expectancy by 6 years. its a fricking joke, but I can play that game as well.
>normalized blood pressure
Stopped reading right here. All of the idiots posted ITT have visible signs of HBP
>Stopped reading right here. All of the idiots posted ITT have visible signs of HBP
come back with a measurement and well argue. see thats your problem. Ive had my blood pressure normalize within 4 days of doing carnivore. this is my own experience. you on the other hand have nothing. I don't care wether or not you keep reading. not only is your opinion 100% irrelevant and of no value, there's about 41% chance we'll never see you again in the future at all.
>Ive had my blood pressure normalize within 4 days of doing carnivore
This is an anecdote. It's a lower form of proof than the visual evidence I posted. Since you want to be a smart-ass about quantifiable evidence: let's see you post your
>blood work (before)
>blood work (after)
>food log during the 2 week transition period
>This is an anecdote. It's a lower form of proof than the visual evidence I posted. Since you want to be a smart-ass about quantifiable evidence: let's see you post your
you've posted pictures of people claiming they have elevated bloodpressure. its far lower than anecdotal evidence. its no evidence at all.
I'm claiming that they show visible signs of HBP (they do). Now let's see your blood work Mr quantifiable evidence.
>1 person
good job anon but there can be a multitude that caused that, you as a person are not evidence.
I can claim a vegan diet made my wiener grow 3 inches but that doesn't make it true nor does it prove that a vegan diet did it even if it happened.
You do realize that it could be because you cut something out that your body didnt handle well or that you got some large imbalance due to your prior diet, maybe you got too much vitmian X and now you get less of it, but it could have been counteracted by more of vitamin Y.
Unless you have actual evidence for WHY it happened you have nothing, you can't just say
>i did carnivore and my bloodpressure dropped so its because of carnivore
you have to prove it by showing HOW and WHY it happened, you know like a scientific study. Why are carnitards the only people who don't know this and just talks about anecdotes all the time? Makes you all seem really fricking moronic tbh
>You do realize that it could be because you cut something out that your body didnt handle well or that you got some large imbalance due to your prior diet, maybe you got too much vitmian X and now you get less of it, but it could have been counteracted by more of vitamin Y.
yes, it was vitamin X. lets see, what has improved for me:
normalized blood pressure
normalized blood surgar. I was diagnosed with T2D.
was overweight. fixed that no calorie counting or any other nonsense.
20+ years of seborrheic eczema, for which I had to use ketoconazole containing shampoo untill that stopped working. head and shoulders did but even then I had to wash myself with it every other day or be covered in skin flakes.
receeding gum/gum bleeding/aching gums.
aching joints.
I am not going to bother listing minor improvements. overall, what Ive listed is regularily experienced by other people trying carnivore. so unless you can point out the vitamin X that caused all of my previous problems, ill stay away from plants. so far Ive been doing great.
your evidence is just as good as gorging on candy daily and getting bad teeth then switching to carnivore and claiming it must have been carnivore because now you're on the carnivore diet when in reality it was excess sugar. but you're too moronic to understand that so who the frick cares, keep being moronic and eat like shit, the faster you die the better
Wait so you can't replace carbs with fats? Or what is the lesson here? Because some legitimate people say you can.
bamp
Carnivore should only be used for losing weight. In order to maintain your weight on carnivore you have to eat huge amounts of fats. Why does everyone want one diet for life? Once you are at your goal weight add back in normal foods to your diet. You just have to be fricking reasonable.
>Carnivore should only be used for losing weight.
yes losing weight and fixing the issues listed here
why the frick would I go back to eating your so called "normal" food if it makes me sick? can you not figure out that there is more to nutrition than just "hurr losing weight"?
Don't eat what normies think is normal foods. High antioxidant fruits and cruciferous vegetables. For carbs drop wheat and switch to barley. I am on carnivore right now and while it does make me feel better I don't ignore the other factors of health. I am never going to eat sugars, regular flours, nightshades, or poisonous fruits like apples. I get sick from any processed food too. I feel you there.
>High antioxidant fruits and cruciferous vegetables
yeah nah, this is what Ive tried first when faced with inflammation. I went through months of pain eating "anti inflammatory" plants with exactly no result. fasting helped (as a matter of fact slightly faster than just eating meat, but cant fast forever) and eating animal products only.
This is my experience as well, feel the least inflamed fasting, and the closest thing to the minimal inflammation I get from fasting is raw animal foods. I don't care what anyone else says about le studies or le experts this is my experience. My logic is that the digestive system does the least work with "like" structures, in other words to digest animal fat and protein is easy on the system because it's already in the form the body wants it. Plants are not and need to be fermented+ neutralized toxin wise, that's why I think anyone with autoimmune conditions will benefit from fasting and animal foods only.
based. this coupled with the fact that meat digests slowly makes me think there is probably a density of nutrition that we don't fully understand yet.
ITT
>vegans providing evidence and studies
>carnivores seething with only anecdotal evidence
as usual on fit
>vegans providing evidence and studies
so far diagnosing high blood pressure via a single picture of a person, strawmanning, showing complete lack of understanding of lows of thermodynamics and yet claiming to know what they are talking about and oh, as in this case posting multiple replies pretending to be someone else.